You have my support for W/O Code. I’ll continue to invest in you guys. On behalf of hundreds of thousands of creatives and entrepreneurs like me and others who’ve posted, Thanks! (Looks like you guys have a greater market share simply for doing good business.)

Let’s keep this community going.

D.

We saw it coming. We have been building all the websites for our company in Adobe Muse (over 200 pages easily). So we were already planning to move everything to Wordpress before the announcement (using the Elementor plugin builder). It was a good ride using Adobe Muse although there a lot of short comings, I love the product. Adobe XD needs a lot of the functionalities Adobe Muse already features. I feel sorry for all the small companies and developers (we included) who have invested immense amount of time and energy in making products for Adobe Muse even whole youtube bloggers with channels completely devoted to Adobe Muse. RIP Adobe Muse. Another amazing product send to trash by Adobe without a really logical explanation.

It is a major desaster indeed.
Thanks a lot to the Team of muse-themes.com for all the support, Input and creativity we were able to use until now! Alexandra

Ah man. This kinda blows! But I look forward to where you take us next, Muse-Themes!

Great announcement. Thanks

Really sad and disappointed in Adobe. I felt that this was a definite needed platform for people like me, who had good skills in photoshop and Lightroom, but weren’t coders or web developers and wanted to have a website that they could develop. Now, with this program going bye-bye, I will seriously start considering not only alternatives to PS and LR, but just dropping my Adobe subscription service to include just PS and LR, which will save a bundle. Sometimes I really wish there were alternatives to Adobe products, as sadly I have been on the negative side of several customer service phone calls with them, and have not been happy with the results each time.

Well, now I have a reason to sign-up with WOCode. I’ll use the 50.00 per month that I’m saving from my Adobe Membership to pay for it.

Steve — Thanks for all you and your team have done! I have been a muse user and a member of your site/support/widgets since the very beginning ( 2013 ) and found your widgets, themes, and support to be my go-to. You guys have been AWESOME! I commend you for the fantastic customer support you have ALWAYS provided. I know you have W/O coming together soon, and I look forward to this, but sure wish you and your team could “take over” where Adobe has left off with MUSE and keep the design ability alive! I feel like I’ll have to fall into the same-old cookie cutter world of web without the ability to be creative. I have so much invested in work from Muse and hate that I have to think about starting over and using something else. As a “print” designer for more than 25 years, I truly loved how intuitive everything worked and how it allowed me to focus on the design and not the code. We really need something like this to stay alive and not have us boxed into what everything else looks like. Maybe you/us/we can approach Adobe to see if Muse can be available to “take over” and continue its life and provide to us what we have come to love to work with. I know there’s always change, but this is a pretty big deal for many of us. I’m sticking with you on the journey —Thanks!

Hello everyone, yes Adobe has disappointed all users, a pity !!!!
Fortunately there is you, it seems that your project without code is really interesting. knowing your professionalism I’m sure it will be a fantastic product !!!! I give you my best wishes and I hope that you continue to develop widgets for muses, at least for a few years.
Good work and thanks for your always impeccable support.
Gianni

I too don’t like the fact that Adobe will be discontinuing support for Muse, but I don’t think anyone should be surprised, Adobe needs to do what’s in their best interest and think about how the industry will be heading in the future, from that perspective this was probably the right call.

However, this should be looked upon as an opportunity to expand your skills and learn new techniques. I’ve been quickly looking into their new Adobe XD and while it may not be code free it does look promising from the design stand point and likely there will be ways to covert those designs into code.

We may not see an Adobe for much longer too. Their sales have dropped considerably against new very competent alternatives to Photoshop, Illustrator, lightroom and even indesign. The risk of losing work and application functions is too much for many now.
For the first time, I have been using very fast photoshop alternatives. Dropping Muse, will just make it easier for users to move on.

[Temp BC Sites] Starting about 2 weeks ago I have been getting emails from Adobe saying that my temporary BC sites have expired (no action is 30 days) so looks like they are cleaning house. All this just to say that, if you DO publish temp sites, be sure to update them frequently so they are not deleted.

Just as I was getting the hang of it, Adobe give up on it.
Does this mean that my clients’ in-browser editing functions will still be possible or will this cease too?
I hope we find an alternative asap.

As you say Steve.
“When one door closes, another always opens.”
It is a decision we can not change. the only thing we can do, is look ahead and find solutions.

Final release installer? Not finding such an animal for Muse.

What a lousy thing to do to creative cloud customers and their clients. Muse was never high performance software, but it was serviceable for users that didn’t have coding skills. I’m really disappointed.

https://www.change.org/p/adobe-systems-adobe-do-not-discontinue-muse

Very upsetting. I found Muse late in the game and was so happy to find a tool that I could use. And now I’m abandoned? +1 to saving it somehow/

I don’t know how to download the final release installer (.exe file). Always redirects me in browser to my creative cloud app on my computer.
Thanks.

I watched the video. I understood the part about architect, but the part about engineer confused me. So engineer is basically a collection of widgets similar to the Muse widgets with one exception: I can use these widgets on anything I code in HTML. I just need to build a place holder in my code for the widget, copy the url where the page lives, paste the url into the engineer widget and its forever linked to that particular page. Is this correct? Did I understand correctly?

Sounds awesome!

Once Muse is removed from the Creative Cloud application, the installer will only be available directly on the Adobe website. We also recommend you download the final release installer, and back it up somewhere just in case you need to reinstall Muse.
No Such thing as a MUSE 2018 INSTALLER, you must be misinformed. I just spent over an hour looking for it if you should a secret hidden link to the Muse 2018 Installer please send me a link.

So…we’ll see the continuation of the last 3 years’ trend: every widget maker has been developing their own CMS, one by one, none easily compatible with the biggest and most popular out there: Wordpress, Drupal, and Joomla. So we, the ones who DIDN’T want to learn code, have to guess which one will still exist in 2-3 years…

Has anyone seen this March 26th version that they talked about?

We also recommend you download the final release installer,
Can anybody send me a link so that I can indeed download this (final release) installer.

Muse Themes – love you guys!
W/O Code has my full support!!!!!
Count me in and just about everybody else on this blog post!
Peter H.

may not be profitable enough for Adobe so sounds like an opportunity for you all. Take it ovr and offer it at a subscription, Of course, discounts for muse theme members

Hello Muse-themes, your solution looks like web flow, even the hosting possibility, 36 dollars a month for one site! thats what i pay for a server 800gb ssd 16 core 1gb uplink and unlimited sites and traffic. Thats where the money making model of these guys is… Let there be a ftp possibility to an independent server please or i can shut down and hang myself…

Just a few notes hear:
-I’m dumbfounded today as I was just emailed with a notice from Adobe two weeks ago that their/my Creative Cloud monthly subscription price was going up $3/month. Now doing away with Muse and Bus. Catalyst (where I host all my sites). Wow!
-Thank you Muse Themes for being innovative with your approach. The w/o Code solution actually looks easier to build than using Muse. I will be watching and learning closely, once I get all of my Muse built sites taken care of.

Where is a legit link to Adobe Muse Installer???

Thank you for your work, wanting to try it.

Musethemes – this is your chance. Really looking forward to w/o code as an independent platform. I tried ‘Mobirise’ before making my subscription to MT just a few months ago. The similar concept to w/o code providing an easy modular system is the key to efficient web design “without code”. Adobe Muse looks familiar and inviting to an experienced graphics designer as I am, offering great opportunities and complexity – but that’s it’s major weakness equally: Muse takes far too much time to build a really customized website project matching your exact imagination of the final result. I have spent weeks on my first project in every free minute and it often driven me nuts conquering with Muse tools, breakpoints, font or image adjustments and even with Musethemes widgets due to a noticable lack of performance in Muse environment. That’s not the fault of Musethemes but has its cause in their widget building base.

Coming back to the third-party tool ‘Mobirise’ for example I really appreciated the very easy and efficient modular system as mentioned, but this app had so many bugs and lack of features and adjustments which prevented doing a final website launch. Where Mobirise ended Muse began I thought at first, but getting deeper and deeper in touch with Muse made myself getting more and more off from efficiency, too.

As I said at the very beginning, this is really your chance to make it even better with a professional and stable product. Everybody in the community knows for sure that you are professionals with profound knowledge and wholeheartedly on what you do. You deserve to be the number one in developing modular website building tools and have the potential to achieve this.

Keep up the good work thumbs up
All the best from Germany

Muse-Themes, as always, thank you for your wonderful service and support. I look forward to learning more about your WC, and soon! As disappointed as I am in Adobe for this abrupt decision, I do look forward to learning some more exciting tools and skills.

For those of you who have mentioned altering your Adobe CC plans, please keep in mind that it can be tricky… A colleague of mine went to cancel their subscription months before their year agreement was up (2017) and was told that they could either cancel their plan 60 days prior to the end of their year end – or pay a size-able cancellation fee.

Also, Muse-Themes, as posted by Julie Gallagher on March 26 2018, “Can you provide instructions for downloading, rather than the default installing, of the final Muse update?” I too would love if you could post these instructions somewhere. While attempting to download the installer myself, I found no other alternative than Adobe’s default installation.

Many thanks, again. It is obvious that your clients love you for your wonderful support.

I have resisted getting on the anti Adobe camp, but their ongoing marketing strategies are leaving me very perplexed. They notoriously buy companies, then abandon their best innovations over time (e.g. Freehand, Fireworks, GoLive etc.). Certainly Muse was a great step forward for graphic designers wanting to do web sites. Many creatives opted into that system and now Adobe is abandoning this. My trust level in them is waning considerably. If I used one of their products to build my business, I would have little assurance that they would be there for me in the long haul.

In the meantime will you all still be developing new templates and widgets for muse? it seems somewhat worthless, but might still give hope. With W/C if we open a muse site in/on it and work on it on W/C as we publish it will it update the code needed that muse will no longer generate for the updates on browsers? will the file be able to be exported to HML from W/C and hosted somewhere else if the clients prefer? Thank you for all you do. Yo give us hope.

what? :O I was just getting used to the software, and quite frankly I like it. I don’t know why Adobe had decided to stop the development. Sad indeed

WTF?! It was only one exetional applications in CC so im going to end my subscription and go to Affinity. I will never spend money on Adobe products!

I have mixed emotions about this announcement. Mostly I’m upset and nervous about the time I’m going to have to invest in finding and learning the next great development tool. I can write HTML code and I’m decent at CSS. But after using Muse for so many years, I don’t want to go back to Dreamweaver. I custom design every site I make and I certainly don’t like using other people’s WordPress templates (plus I hate the security issues with WP, I’ve been hacked and wasted weeks fixing multiple sites). I love Muse for the simplicity of no code and being able to add nice looking features without any trouble. I found Muse the day I went looking for a way to add a full page scrolling image without using WordPress. I spent a week learning how to use Muse (I was already skilled with Dreamweaver, InDesign, Photoshop, and Illustrator). I have used it for every site I built since, which is a lot of websites. I also love the ability to publish to Business Catalyst to show my clients their site. It’s helped me get my final payment before moving their site to their real domain. If Adobe can keep some of those great features and apply them to another product, then I could live with this change. I guess the questions is now, when do I switch? Should I waste weeks now trying out new software, or do a few more sites before I waste time searching for new software? I don’t need a real answer. I’m just venting, sharing my end-of-Muse thoughts. I really like Muse and hate that this day has come.

I’m just one more dissapointed by Adobe.

Any timeline for the W/C release??

Adobe is Adobe, the Alpha and Omega, or so they think. But MUSE is great and one day we’ll say MUSE was great but we have something better now. I can do with Gimp and Inkscape – no need for PS and IL. Perhaps I’ll be able to say I can do with W/C – no need for MUSE any more. BUT and a great BUT and massive concern – will the end of MUSE affect the In-Browser Editor? Many of my sites use IBE…

We wait anxciously for W/C news.

I’m just once more dissapointed by Adobe.

Hi Team, firstly I’m totally confident that the next chapter of web design for the muse theme members will only improve the method of web design and create stable and scalable sites with all,the features that today’s clients require. Whilst it’s a sad time for muse users, many designers will become more knowledgeable and aware of strutureeb standards with today’s web requirements in the direction that WO Code are going. This could well be a blessing in disguise to encourage users to develop new skills . I can’t wait!
Regarding hosting Steve, my current plan is just about to expire, so any idea when we’ll be able to see pricing.
Msny thanks
Nige

Steve
Can you give all of us an idea of release, pricing etc… Our business depends on it and our customers are nervous.
The only alternative right now is web flow it seems to make sense. There is no reason to do a new website in muse since we will have to convert it into something else at one point (I was a past member, hopefully a new one)

I’ve been with Muse since beta testing. I hated Dreamweaver. I thought that Muse was the one – finally a no-code-designer-based web-building platform. I finally felt confident in competing with code savvy designers. Thank you Muse-Themes for beefing up my game for a while. I’ll probably continue using Muse until I can test your new W/O Code project – hopefully it will fill the gap. I don’t know if I feel like going through another learning curve. It looks like Business Catalyst has already stopped creating trial sites. I thought we had another month but I guess the end is closer than I thought.

Big businesses tend to forget it is the small businesses that make them big businesses.
WoCode is an opportunity for ALL creators to express our disgust at Adobe.
If all MuseTheme subscribers pledged £100, we could start a revolution.
Creative people need ‘code free’ ability to create websites. It is a fundamental requirement.
You have my full support and trust WoCode will become the ‘go to’ software for ALL creators.

Well written and thank you for the clarity with dates and suggestions! I know as many of us designers progress in our careers, we too found that Muse wasn’t reaching it’s potential and therein us as designers felt limited. I’m sure many of us became real skilled, so to speak, trying to creatively work within it’s parameters. As a new user to Muse Themes, I wish I would have bit the bullet and signed up sooner! I myself have been researching new platforms, finding myself outgrowing Muse with the lack of updated features. Muse Themes was my solution to maintain the bridge in the meantime. I was like you, shocked but not surprised at the announcement. It is disappointing after spending years working with a product and providing feature feedback, hoping for improvements, only to be side-railed. I understand the market has changed, heck, even trying to research new website development programs brings up numerous lists of WIX and Square type interfaces before an actual design platform. But I regress, I look forward to see what Without Code has to offer. If Without Code is any reflection of the products your team has provided to supplement where Adobe Muse was lacking, I see great potential and success. You’ve listened and picked up what users needed and made it all happen through your end, so congrats to that! Cheers and keep it up! :) Side note – I had no idea Muse Themes started out of Calgary! I lived in Canmore for many years, where among many things, I rediscovered my passion for online design. :D

Is there a timeline for W/C, and when it does come out will the export html feature be in it or will that be something that comes later. Also would like to mention that I have sites done in muse in 2011/2012 that are still fully functional (thats 6-7 years) with that said, should we really worry about muse sites right now, I don’t think that is a problem for years to come, and specially with muse themes coming out with W/C, i think we are all fine, no panic keep doing business as usual MT has got our backs. Thank you Steve and company.

Hi Steve,
This might be a dumb question since o have no clue on widgets functions, except of course to download and use them. So here is the question would it be possible to create widgets that would solve bugs that muse as a program could have in the future once adobe stops addressing these and also how about widgets that could be added that would update browser specific updates in the future that could keep muse up to date with them? Is it possible or impossible or too costly to consider it viable ?

I have been looking for a substitute to Adobe Muse for a while. A year ago, I moved to Serif Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer. Since then, Serif announced it’s coming out with the third software that it’s going to substitute my inDesign. Great alternatives! Muse was the only app I was holding on to, and now I’m really happy and thankful to Steve and his team for creating Without Code. You have my 100% support. Thank you!

Been considering abandoning Adobe for a long time – expensive and binding subscription limitations point to a corporate concern of satisfying share holders, not end users. Please just make sure you build in end user flexibility into the new wocode business – at the moment the $90 site fee is just too inflexible. I love the new product and would use it all the time, but not with this restriction.

Disappointing Adobe.